tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8653136900588594124.post5223194762034498686..comments2023-11-02T01:37:14.147-07:00Comments on 1 Tim Street: Friends vs Fans1 Tim Streethttp://www.blogger.com/profile/17274966907643822520noreply@blogger.comBlogger6125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8653136900588594124.post-6394980697597254602007-12-29T11:15:00.000-08:002007-12-29T11:15:00.000-08:00I know I'm a bit late, but excellent post. I am on...I know I'm a bit late, but excellent post. I am one of those fans turned friend in a lot of cases. I love this community and the people in it and I think because I try to be so active in it, friendships form.<BR/><BR/>In your opinion, where does the line get drawn where a fan becomes a friend? And how do you choose what friends to "follow"?Clintus McGintushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08361106324122255137noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8653136900588594124.post-46117828173890244482007-12-05T03:01:00.000-08:002007-12-05T03:01:00.000-08:00You make a very interesting point, Tim. I would be...You make a very interesting point, Tim. I would be really interested to know how people go about separating friends and fans in their social network/graph. You can't have two Facebook pages. Is one site more conducive to collecting fans and another to staying in touch with friends.<BR/><BR/>There is definite value in this advice, I just wonder about how practical it is to follow.Jason Van Ordenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12319127683236902045noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8653136900588594124.post-73552949263470119222007-12-03T22:52:00.000-08:002007-12-03T22:52:00.000-08:00Tim,Thanks for including me in your blog post. To ...Tim,<BR/>Thanks for including me in your blog post. To my amazement, I found it without my Google Vanity Alert. ;)<BR/><BR/>I hope all my friends who read your post will come link to me in FaceBook and in Twitter. I just can't get enough of my peeps.<BR/><BR/>Here's my perspective. I am fans of my friends and I believe, to a great extent, that my friends are fans of me.<BR/><BR/>I really, truly, honestly like a huge variety of people. I am energized by the creativity and the perspectives and "doings" of my friends and acquaintances. And I believe they also really like being exposed to my trysts with life and work.<BR/><BR/>Yes, I have 1,000 friends on FB and they are my friends. I have more than 2,500 connections in LinkedIn too.<BR/><BR/>Having been in sales and marketing for 26 years, I have stayed connected to friends from that many years ago, accumulating history like a snowball made of glue. (That reminds me of a rubber cement booger, now that I think of it. Don't TELL me you don't know what i mean, either.)<BR/><BR/>I adore Twitter to hear what you are doing and to share my insights, ranting and silliness with abandon.<BR/><BR/>I adore LinkedIn to help my friends make connections and get connected for biz deals.<BR/><BR/>I really, really love Facebook because I can learn even more about the people I already know. Incorporating the personal with the professional is my passion.<BR/><BR/>I don't just want to know you. I want to know all about you. Witness DishyMix, my weekly podcast. What's it been about since 2005, every single week? It's about the unique individuals in my industry. On the show we delve into (hopefully provocative) revelations both personal and professional about famous names in our industry.<BR/><BR/>I will go on my merry way, expansively collecting connections, making new friends and nuturing old, spreading my love and producing my brand of content. It makes me happy. I hope it brings others some joy, connection, continuity and the opportunity to "be seen."Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04467188056414147838noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8653136900588594124.post-1533591390761771552007-12-03T20:47:00.000-08:002007-12-03T20:47:00.000-08:00Re: Chris Brogan in particular... post-Pulver.com,...Re: Chris Brogan in particular... post-Pulver.com, Chris' twittering style has changed for the better (IMO). While he was still with VON/Network2, I was VERY close to un-following him. I didn't click the button because I consider Chris a personal friend, and I decided to find a different way around his philosophical question posts. Granted, if there had been a way with twitter to remain as a follower of his, yet receive no updates from him to the web site, I might have done *that*. The only thing twitter allows you to remove is notifications to your IM/Phone, which I don't use.<BR/><BR/>The reason I would have un-followed Chris at that time is *relevance*. Not relevance to the space. Just about EVERYTHING Chris posted was relevant to the space. :) However, it wasn't relevant to *ME*. I found myself looking at another philosophical question, contemplating it for a couple of seconds or less, then moving on. At that time, I would have agreed completely with your percentage-out vs actual communication assessment.<BR/><BR/>The way I got around the issue was that I started parsing the twitter web page by icon. Being an editor, it's easy for me to memorize patterns, in this case, the pictures that people use to identify themselves on twitter. I can scroll down the list and stop only at the icons that I've determined are usually of value to me. This is why I don't use IM. I have my IM going to google talk, and that doesn't give icons, so I end up having to read at least the name on every twitter before I can skip it. Tremendous waste of time.<BR/><BR/>Another reason I would have been cool with un-following Chris is that twitter isn't my first instinct for communicating with him. I'll email him directly if I have a question or comment or something to share. I would have been relieving myself of philosophical questions without removing ANY of the efficiency of my communication with Chris.<BR/><BR/>In general, like I said, the problem for me with people who twitter is *relevance*. When someone floods the channel with links for their site, especially those that appear to be automatic, un-followed. Unless someone's a sporadic poster, if someone's constantly giving the public tidbits of information about their life that have no educational value and that nobody asked them about in the first place, un-followed.<BR/><BR/>The thing I REALLY can't stand on twitter is chronic whiners. If you stack up their updates, it's a bunch of "woe is me" posts about everything going wrong like as if someone asked them to lay down on the couch for therapy. Not only isn't that RELEVANT to ANYHING, it's consistently depressing. Fortunately, icon-parsing gets me past the whiners too without un-following them.<BR/><BR/>Excellent point about separation of self from brand. It's important to know whether you're pubbing yourself, your show, your company or your brand. Having the correct understanding for one's self and one's style is the key to knowing whether you should "friend" fans or make a definite distinction between your fans and your actual friends.Bill Cammackhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15325600865691416556noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8653136900588594124.post-84058956643566119572007-12-03T19:01:00.000-08:002007-12-03T19:01:00.000-08:00Well damn, because I always figure you've got it a...Well damn, because I always figure you've got it all right, and so if you're right then I'm wrong. Crap. <BR/><BR/>Yes, we should still have beers often, because they're beers, and because I like you as a person. <BR/><BR/>First, specific to Twitter:<BR/><BR/>In Twitter, I just looked at my last page of tweets and your last page of tweets. (20 each). (Mind you, this will change by whenever you go to take a look. It's um.. 6:56PM your time right now). <BR/><BR/>I've @ conversed with 8 out of my 20. You've done 2. <BR/><BR/>5 more of my tweets also point to other people's posts. Zero of the last 20 tweets on my page point to me (although you could argue the one where I point to someone's facebook group ABOUT me is self-referential). <BR/><BR/>Your last 20 are mostly answering Twitter's question to the word. <BR/><BR/>---<BR/><BR/>I use Twitter in this way: to share what has my attention. Sometimes, I have my attention. Lots of times, other people's stuff has my attention. <BR/><BR/>You're right that I don't use Twitter like Eric Rice. He holds full fledged conversations there. I move my conversations into email or onto blogs (like yours) : ), and into other media, because they work better there. <BR/><BR/>-----<BR/><BR/>Do I treat the folks on Twitter like fans? Hmm. Hard to say. Some, I do. And friends, I treat like friends. It depends if I've met and hung out with you, or if you're just someone nice who's following me. <BR/><BR/>---<BR/><BR/>But overall, you've given me more to think about. I saw your tweet removing me last night right after I made the "numbers" posts. I can understand and respect that. <BR/><BR/>So once again, thanks, and I'm forever learning from your perspective.Chris Broganhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01846579129507779564noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8653136900588594124.post-52200338995981708142007-12-03T18:12:00.000-08:002007-12-03T18:12:00.000-08:00"He who has a thousand friends has not a friend to..."He who has a thousand friends has not a friend to spare,<BR/>And he who has one enemy will meet him everywhere."<BR/>- Ralph Waldo EmersonMike McAllenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08346923465156852462noreply@blogger.com